Elle ([info]llieno) wrote,
@ 2006-07-08 20:30:00
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Dooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooomsday
Doctor Who spoilers ahoy!

Well, that was rather fun.

What I find most intriguing is how last year's final episode didn't have the planet is as much danger as this year's, but the ending this year made a lot more sense. There was no deus ex machinas (quite literally), but a cure-all that actually worked and had been set up under our noses whilst we debated about whether parallel universes were good things or not. That was clever.

Daleks Vs Cybermen...it really was no contest. The Dalek Supreme was right when it declared it was not a war, but rather pest control. The Cybers did put up a pretty good fight, however, and they were causing enough trouble with the army on the bridge. I suppose I would have liked to see at least one dalek fall at cyberhands, just to make the battle a little more interesting, but...is the battle still going on, in the void? I wonder...and don't forget that the Dalek Supreme did a Darth Vader and escaped just in time. That's what's known as leaving your options open, although I don't know where the cybermen will go from here.

Speaking of cyberpeople, CyberYvonne was intriguing. She was converted, but was still fighting the silver nemeses. I thought it was a plot hole, but I suppose we can read things into it...she went into the convertion with duty firmly on her mind, and it must have remained in the cybermind, thus overriding conventional cyberprotocal. Oh, and for those wondering why she went into the void as well...although she never switched universes, the suit she was in did. The Cyberman hardly had the chance to make their own cyberfactories, so they must have brought them over with them, hence them retaining void energy. This is what I meant when I say the ending works in an intriguing sense.

The Genesis Ark...was it Davros? I hoped not, and it wasn't. I grew excited upon mention of the Time Lords, but, alas, there was no Master, Gallifreyan power artifact or indeed anything Time Lord inside it. Just a lot more Daleks...although the TARDIS dimensional logic did make sense. I shall have to retain hope for Gallifrey to another series, although I did appreciate the Skaro reference. Old school continuity makes me happy.

What as to the characters? Well, this episode demonstrated to me just how good Tennant is at being the Doctor. Chris was good, but less diverse than David, whom my father reckons is the best Doctor after Tom Baker. His reaction to the Cyberman-Dalek meeting were so wild as to be spot-on. Rose was interesting too. She's been all over the place this series, and there were elements of it all tonight. Her manic obsessiveness with the Doctor over even her own family, her understanding and defiance gained from being in proximity to a Time Lord, and even curious Rose of the first series. 'Twas a nice wrap-up for her. As for the others, Jackie was Jackie, Micky was as kick-ass as he had been in AoS, and Pete rivalled Jake as the most kick-ass of them all. I liked how they all fell into place as well...the Jacky/Pete scene was interesting as it totally broke up the action at that point, but replaced it with a poignant meeting which rewarded those who had been with them beforehand.

I did enjoy Jake taking the Doctor to alt!Torchwood, as it made the structure make sense. It was similar last series when Boom Town and Bad Wolf developed WW3 and The Long Game respectively. The series has felt very disjointed at times, so it's always a relief to see things link together. I would have liked to have known the fate of alt!Yvonne and the alt!void ship, however...clearly these cannot be addressed anytime soon, if at all, because it would require a reunion with the Tylers and an explanation of undoing the seal on the breach. Food for thought, therefore. Oh, and whilst I'm talking about continuity, I couldn't help but think of The Christmas Invasion when I saw the roof open at Torchwood. That must be how they fired the Sunglider's energy weapon, because otherwise they'd have had that big roof in the way.

The ending...I knew Rose wasn't going to die, but I wasn't sure as to whether she'd be voided or not. I was honestly surprised at Pete's intervention, although I ought not to have been, looking back. From then on, it was a big goodbye scene. The scene with both crying at the wall really worked for me, and was poignant without being too tired. I also noted how the Doctor walked away before Rose did. As for Norway, however...well, I suppose they deserved a proper goodbye. Rose just didn't get it, but it was an interesting setting for their last goodbye...and I did like how the Doctor was cut-off before his reply. We leave the Tylers and Mickey to run alt!Torchwood whilst we have a lonely Doctor once again. I loved Tennant so much at this part...

...and then Catherine Tate. 'What?' was exactly the right reaction. It really spoilt the mood...but it had to. The Doctor's life goes on. It has to. Through the spanner in the works, RTD has reminded us that this is no end for the Doctor, and that he will continue travelling on new adventures. It's like with the 'new teeth' line last year...it's the hole in the painting that will lead us to the next gallery. I didn't like it, but I'm not meant to, am I?

So, all in all, I was pleasantly surprised, and felt a lot less cheated than last year...although I cried a lot more to see Nine say goodbye than to see Rose go (although the thought of no more Mickey...). Having said that, neither reached the level of tears I had after Girl in the Fireplace, so *shrugs*

Next year, can we please have: historical stories set in ancient/medieval times, alien worlds, returning characters/themes other than Cybermen/Daleks and a very different companion to Rose. kthnxbye.



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[info]ed_zeppelin
2006-07-08 08:11 pm UTC (link)
I would have preferred the Cybermen to destory at least one Dalek. It's the most dignity they've lost since Nemesis.

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[info]llieno
2006-07-08 08:22 pm UTC (link)
How are we supposed to take them as a threat after that trouncing? If millions are unable to stop even just one, does that not totally relegate the Cyberman from their position as the show's secondary main villains?

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[info]issi_noho
2006-07-09 07:30 pm UTC (link)
Weeeeeeeeeell, we never got to see how the Daleks would last in a millions to one scenario, did we? It turned into millions against millions. And you have to remember that not only are these Cybermen not our universe's, but they've only been going a few years; we can't expect them to be as tough as Daleks of a generation that went toe-to-toe with Gallifrey.

We have yet to see how the sons (and daughters) of Mondas would fare...

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[info]llieno
2006-07-10 08:20 am UTC (link)
How would the two types of Cybermen react to each other anyhow?

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[info]issi_noho
2006-07-10 08:52 am UTC (link)
Would depend on the situation and how they're written. I'd imagine cooperation would be easier, assuming their technologies were compatible.

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[info]onsentamago
2006-07-08 08:14 pm UTC (link)
Wonderful post, bringing up some excellent points, but could you just clarify two things to appease my own curiosity?

1. Why did you feel cheated last year by Parting of the Ways? (Assuming that it was PotW that you felt cheated by ^_^;; )

2. Why no love for a Davros return? Just wondering.

Completely agree with you on the returning characters who are not the Cybermen/Daleks. I think the latter really does deserve a break for the third series as overkill may kick in. I'm just drawing a blank for who I'd really like to see return... The Master and Davros are obvious ones for me anyway. I've always been a Davros fanboy and it'd be a shame if the Master's swansong was the 1996 TV Movie, but I can't think of someone suitable to play the role...

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[info]llieno
2006-07-08 08:21 pm UTC (link)
1. It was the deus ex machina more than anything. Dalek Emperor, Dalek army, ethical dilemma...and a Rose/TARDIS combination dissolve them all and bring Jack back to life. True, it was hard to see how else they could get out of it, but it felt thrown-in far more than this year's void recall.

2. Davros devalues Daleks in the same way Lumic devalued Cybermen. A potential master-race are suddenly weakened by needing orders from above. I believe it reached the point where the Daleks were barely able to do anything without Davros at the helm, even if it was a civil war against him. The two faction leaders in the most recent episode worked better than megalomanic supervillains because they are #1 of their race, rather than being above and beyond.

I, for one, would love to see a new take on the Meddling Monk. Over the series, his character became something it initially wasn't back when he was a threat long before Time Lords were identified. Fleshing out his character with the modern mythos would be interesting indeed, and provide a great scope for both old-school continuity and new-school ideas.

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[info]captainlucy
2006-07-08 08:24 pm UTC (link)
I would have liked to see the Daleks need more than one shot to down a Cyberman as well. They did seem to go down a little bit too easily.

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[info]llieno
2006-07-08 08:30 pm UTC (link)
Indeed. It's demeaning to the Cybermen's legacy, and also a betrayal of the 'Greatest Ever Battle' we were promised. A war should not be a walkover.

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[info]sea_thoughts
2006-07-08 08:36 pm UTC (link)
...and then Catherine Tate. 'What?' was exactly the right reaction. It really spoilt the mood...but it had to. The Doctor's life goes on. It has to. Through the spanner in the works, RTD has reminded us that this is no end for the Doctor, and that he will continue travelling on new adventures. It's like with the 'new teeth' line last year...it's the hole in the painting that will lead us to the next gallery. I didn't like it, but I'm not meant to, am I?

This is precisely how I felt. *nod nod*

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[info]llieno
2006-07-08 08:37 pm UTC (link)
I'm glad you agree :)

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[info]sea_thoughts
2006-07-08 08:42 pm UTC (link)
Well, there's all these people writing about how it SPOILT the ending and RUINED the emotions, and I'm sitting here thinking, Yeah... that's the whole point? I think using Catherine Tate might backfire on them, though: so many people seem to dislike her.

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[info]richardiii
2006-07-08 08:59 pm UTC (link)
Really like the episode. Thought it was a perfect ending

Though i agree. The Girl In The Fireplace was a work of beauty, by far my favorite of the series.

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[info]llieno
2006-07-08 09:30 pm UTC (link)
Definitely. Stephen Moffat is a genius!

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[info]richardiii
2006-07-08 09:40 pm UTC (link)
I need a white horse and a mirror to smash through.

...And a beautiful young french noblewoman wouldn't go amiss either :D

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Doomie Doom Doom. ^_^
[info]i_am_holly_rose
2006-07-09 01:15 am UTC (link)
Yes, I did wonder how they were going to weedle out of Rose actually dying. I thought the wall thing was good though. Simple but nice.

I had a very, very slight issue with CyberYvonne who just happened to be the only person to overcome the whole cyberification thing and hang on to her sense of duty, to enable the Doctor that bit more time needed and her knowing where to be and finding a weapon and so on ... I figured that if the episode had a deus ex machina type thang then she was it. You needed her to be different though I suppose, what with her being Torchwood's main operative. I thought maybe the oil down the cheek was a bit much, although at the same time you needed to get across something other than just the empty mask so ... I think I've just nullified my dislike of that part ... >_<; Oh and thanks for the clarification of the suit thing, I was wondering about that.

Gosh but that was embarassing for the cybermen. I mean honestly. And I totally agree with you that David Tennant makes a very good doctor. He fits the sort of persona very well I think.

Oh but which episode did Rose regain her memory of beating the Dalek Emperor? Or was that a behind the scenes thing ... Only last thing I remembered she'd forgotten what happened after she looked into the Tardis. I might have to find that episode and watch it again methinks ...

Also wasn't there meant to be an episode with Rose in, that Stephen Fry wrote or did I get the wrong end of the stick thar?

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Re: Doomie Doom Doom. ^_^
[info]llieno
2006-07-09 01:20 am UTC (link)
Oh, Holly, you've become a fangirl.

As it should be ^-^

Cybermen retain the brains of those converted. I think there is a prescedent for certain strong non-emotional traits to be retained, which was set in the old series before we were born.

Memory regain? A plot hole, sadly.

I think there was, then it got moved to season three, and then it was cancelled due to Stephen 'not having enough time'. I think they just realised a Rose-based episode without Rose wouldn't work.

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Re: Doomie Doom Doom. ^_^
[info]i_am_holly_rose
2006-07-09 01:36 am UTC (link)
Yes, right at the end of the series too. Well done Holly. >_<

Oh. Well. Precedents. Nuff said. ^^

Ah right. I did Wonder ... Obviously.

I could comment on how a Rose episode without Rose might actually be the best Rose episode, except that would be mean and silly.

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Re: Doomie Doom Doom. ^_^
[info]llieno
2006-07-09 01:40 am UTC (link)
It would, because Rose hasn't been all bad. Take her taking control in 'The Satan Pit' for example, or her behaviour towards the Dalek Supreme this week. It's just that she overstepped her boundaries and got too close to the Doctor, so she had to go before she threw a spanner in the tragic cycle of companions the Doctor keeps.

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Re: Doomie Doom Doom. ^_^
[info]i_am_holly_rose
2006-07-09 01:43 am UTC (link)
Indeed it would. Thats why I didn't say it. ^^;;;

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[info]multiphonikks
2006-07-09 06:54 am UTC (link)
Hehe - Totally agree!!! 'MeriKate and I were saying as much the other day that we would like more medieval stuff ;)

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[info]stacis_leak
2006-07-09 12:54 pm UTC (link)
Just a note on something you brought up: the alt void ship

If you follow it through logically, there was no alt void ship, there was only one void ship which the Daleks used as an escape pod. It only went to one of the realities but in crossing into it, it popped open a boundary between two. It couldn't possibly have ended up in both universes....

Unless that bastard Heisenberg has been at work....

Also Becca and I were poised with party poppers ready to let them fly at the moment Rose died and we were dissapointingly unable to use them.

I'd been hoping for the Master inside the Genesis ark too. I'd expected the master since the Deffry Vale episode because of an internet leak that Antony Head's character was THE Master, as oppose to A master of a school.

But then when the void ship opened I had my fingers crossed muttering "Captain Jack, Captain Jack, Captain Jack..."

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[info]llieno
2006-07-10 08:22 am UTC (link)
Yes, I realised the ship was an anomaly after posting this. I still wonder whether it and the Genesis Ark were sucked into the void when the TARDIS was not, however.

AH would make a good Master. He just needs the beard.

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[info]guitarromantic
2006-07-16 12:00 am UTC (link)
I haven't been following it, but I watched the end of it and it was soooooo similar to Philip Pullman's The Amber Spyglass.

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